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Cleave and AOO: What is the problem?
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<blockquote data-quote="rkanodia" data-source="post: 1805106" data-attributes="member: 11681"><p>Actually, the BBEG <em>is</em> being punished.</p><p></p><p>Let me run through a round of combat in each of the scenarios I originally mentioned.</p><p></p><p>Scenario A (Fred vs Bennie):</p><p>Fred attacks Bennie.</p><p>Bennie attacks Fred.</p><p>(next round starts)</p><p>Bennie has taken one attack from Fred.</p><p></p><p>Scenario B (Fred vs Bennie and Mike):</p><p>Fred attacks Bennie.</p><p>Bennie attacks Fred.</p><p>Mike attempts to disarm Fred; Fred's attack of opportunity kills Mike, and he makes a cleave attack against Fred.</p><p>(next round starts)</p><p>Bennie has taken two attacks from Fred.</p><p></p><p>Yes, Mike was stupid. He should have known better than to try and disarm Fred without the Improved Disarm feat, and he got killed for it. But forget about Mike. Look at Bennie: in Scenario B he's taken two attacks, but in Scenario A he's only taken one attack. Bennie is suffering because Mike made a careless attack.</p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to say that teammates should never be able to hurt you; certainly, if Bennie brought along Eva Evoker and she dropped a <em>fireball</em> right into the fight, I'd have Bennie roll his save like anyone else. I just think that Cleaving on Attacks of Opportunity in particular is pretty unfair.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rkanodia, post: 1805106, member: 11681"] Actually, the BBEG [i]is[/i] being punished. Let me run through a round of combat in each of the scenarios I originally mentioned. Scenario A (Fred vs Bennie): Fred attacks Bennie. Bennie attacks Fred. (next round starts) Bennie has taken one attack from Fred. Scenario B (Fred vs Bennie and Mike): Fred attacks Bennie. Bennie attacks Fred. Mike attempts to disarm Fred; Fred's attack of opportunity kills Mike, and he makes a cleave attack against Fred. (next round starts) Bennie has taken two attacks from Fred. Yes, Mike was stupid. He should have known better than to try and disarm Fred without the Improved Disarm feat, and he got killed for it. But forget about Mike. Look at Bennie: in Scenario B he's taken two attacks, but in Scenario A he's only taken one attack. Bennie is suffering because Mike made a careless attack. I'm not trying to say that teammates should never be able to hurt you; certainly, if Bennie brought along Eva Evoker and she dropped a [i]fireball[/i] right into the fight, I'd have Bennie roll his save like anyone else. I just think that Cleaving on Attacks of Opportunity in particular is pretty unfair. [/QUOTE]
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