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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1805918" data-attributes="member: 5777">Another statement that seems to state that your problem is actually with the cleave mechanic itself. I realize that you have said this is not your intention as you like cleave, but that is still how it sounds. Especially considering the rest of the post. The only time this entire subject even comes up is when someone is acting stupidly. So, when they are acting stupidly people can take advantage.Otherwise, if they dont act stupidly then there is no aoo to worry about. Or, if the person doesnt have cleave then they cant take advantage of it. Or, if the big bad is smarter then he cant be taken advantage of. Or.. any number of other things. A psychic warrior build I had not too long ago would actually not be effected by the rain at all (no loss of visibility, no chance of slipping, etc) sounds like he would want it to be raining for all of his battles <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Also, your buddy running over might help things. But then, if he does something dumb then it 'wont'. It may very well be that him not doing anything at all would have been a better solution.Almost always hurt???? You are completely making things up now. We are talking about a rare situation which grants a bonus to someone with the correct feat. If your buddy comes over and flanks the character and does not provoke an aoo then this situation does not come up at all. If the enemy does not have an aoo to use then this situation does not come up at all. If the character does not have cleave then this situation does not come up at all.We are talking about a very specific case for someone trained to take advantage of something just like this. Not something that will happen all of the time (if it does it is time to get new buddies, the ones with the brains of slugs when it comes to tactics just arent good to get into fights with). Sometimes your friends hinder more than help, this happens in real life and in the game. There is no 'punishment' involved here, it is simply someone making use of their abilities.The system has very few ways currently for someone to turn being up against multiple opponents into some sort of disadvantage for his side. Even though in real life this can happen (and in fact does, I have seen it quite often, especially in martial arts). So, having a feat that can help simulate this in proper conditions makes perfect sense.</blockquote>

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