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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aristotle" data-source="post: 1305972" data-attributes="member: 5885">I don't like the use of the BBEG + Mooks as an argument against Cleave + AoO. It is still going to happen, but if the DM is playing the BBEG appropriately it should be happening less. This is of course all in my opinion, but let me explain...If the BBEG is a total idiot he may attack with his incompetent mooks, and the scene will play out like you are describing. The mooks will fall and AoAs will be scored against the BBEG. But if the BBEG allowed that to transpire, he deserves the swift end he gets.If the BBEG is smart, and he feels that his mooks actually stand a fighting chance against the PCs he might attack with the mooks, and take his chances. Of course he has a little information on the PCs and he has hired more competent mooks, so he truly does believe that if he stands with them they can defeat the PCs. Maybe the scene will play out like you describe, or maybe you'll just get a real cool fight scene that the players are talking about for weeks to come.If that same BBEG does not feel his mooks can take the PCs, he is going to separate himself from the mooks. He understands tactics, and he knows that by getting caught up in the rush he stands a better chance of getting hurt... so he stands back, points at the PCs with an evil snear, and screams "Get Them!". All of his mooks charge the PCs, putting more than enough space between him and the mooks so that he will be out of harms way. Should a mook start backing into him, he can easily counter to keep himself free of the melee.At least that is how I see it. Cleave + AoO doesn't break the game, but it does require some tactics to avoid. I think that's how combat should work...</blockquote>

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