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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 1318522" data-attributes="member: 2629">You're looking at isolated incidents instead of looking at entire pictures. My system works because you look through the forest (all actions being taken by all creatures) for a particular kind of tree (giving assistance) and apply the effect if you see it. You're looking at one individual part of the forest and ignoring the rest of it. The point of the system I mentioned is that it doesn't get bogged down by one aspect of motivation or conflicts in motivation. What else is Mary trying to do? She probably has more than 1 goal. If she does *not* want Peter dead and killing the summoned creature is her only goal, then, no, Mike is not an ally. This type of vacuum never comes up. There are always multiple goals going on at a time.Are they trying to aid her? She doesn't need to know of their effeorts. She is not targetting them.As broad as the DM sees them being. It will, of course, be a judgement call. However, they are very easy standards to apply.Taking the word active too literally is a bit of a lame duck argument. If she is doing all she can in furtherance of the goal, she is an ally. Stunned could still be an ally. Unconcious probably wouldn't be.Is he trying to assist the caster? You'll have to look at all the caster's goals and see if he is trying to help. It is entirely possible that just by fleeing due to a spell he is no longer trying to help the caster.Lou is not actively assisting or opposing the caster in your example (unless we have other surrounding circumstances), so he would be unaffected by bless or bane. Is Guadelupe trying to help the caster reach a goal? Are they doing something to help any goal that the caster is actively working towards? They work really well. You're trying to look at them in isolated instances instead of how they'd come up in a real game. If you apply it to game situations, you'll see that it is really easy to use and covers all the bases.Bless works on anyone that is actively working towards any of the goals that the caster is actively working towards.Bane works on anyone that is actively working against any of the goals that the caster is actively working towards.Very simple.</blockquote>

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