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Message: <blockquote data-quote="melkoriii" data-source="post: 626162" data-attributes="member: 2162">When calling the bonuses of a object as in "same bonuses(properties) as the attack(object)", You get all bonuses.When appling bonuses to the object "-10 penalty(amount) to the attack(Property)", You get a -10 attack roll and thats it. Actauly looking at this situation,  The Cleave would have the same bonuses as its parent attack. (if it was the second attack in a Full attack action it would have a the -5, if it was a TWF it would have the -2, if it was the off hand it would have .5x Str added to damage and so on.)Granted this add a lot of thinking added to useing Cleave but Im just saying how it is worded this is the way it should be (not nessisarly what they intended but thats not my place I just read the rules and it make sence to me.)</blockquote>