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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4342570" data-attributes="member: 71571">I'm just sayin'... Cleave isn't even broken when the enemy brings his own bag of rats FOR you.And while we're on the subject of a bag of rats...Rat swarms take half damage from melee attacks.  Cleave is a melee attack so if you decide to use a bag of rats as a cleave-enabler at a level where it is a threat and is permissible, then you'll end up getting attacked by a thing that can attack you as a free action at the beginning of your own turn that you're not doing enough damage to to seriously threaten.And if you decide instead to use a bag of rats to attack another bag of rats, the cleaved bag of rats gets to halve your cleave damage.I'm just saying Bag of Rats + Cleave is not good for you.EDIT:  Druids better get a power called Bag o' Rats.</blockquote>