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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 3380626" data-attributes="member: 3424">Using the same A, B, and C that I mentioned in post #57, in a normal round of combat, C only gets one attack roll against A. A could be fatigued, exhausted, flat-footed, dazed, confused, deafened, stunned, shaken, or slowed, but C only gets one attack roll against A in a normal round of combat. C can get an extra attack roll against A in a single round of combat under certain circumstances. One is the use of spells such as haste and the previously-mentioned snake's swiftness. Another is for A to drop his defenses and provoke an AOO from C.When C Cleaves off an AOO that B provokes, he gets an extra attack against A. From one perspective, C is simply taking advantage of his feat - he has dropped an opponent, and he gets an extra attack against another opponent he threatens. However, from another perspective, C is effectively getting an AOO against A, even though A did nothing to provoke one.Do you see an attack roll as one swing in combat? If so, in a combat between A and C with no AOOs, A swings once against C and C swings once against A in each round. When C Cleaves off an AOO, C swings once against A, and swings a second time against him after he has made a swing against B and dropped him with an AOO. If he is able to take a second swing against A in the round of combat that he drops B, why is he unable to swing twice against A in a normal round of combat?Do you see an attack roll as the net effect of several attempts by C to get past A's defences? If so, an attack roll is not a single swing, but several swings, most of which are parried or dodged by A, and an AOO is a lapse in A's defences that allows one swing which would normally be parried or dodged to get through. When C Cleaves off an AOO, what is it about C dropping B that creates a lapse in A's defences? Alternatively, what is it about C dropping B that increases C's combat skill to the point that a swing that would normally be parried or dodged by A actually gets through?</blockquote>

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