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<blockquote data-quote="Jhulae" data-source="post: 3399292" data-attributes="member: 16958"><p>It's as Hyp said. There's no 'perception' involved on either side. </p><p></p><p>Did the Cleaver do enough damage with her attack to drop a real (ie non-illusionary) creature? </p><p></p><p>If yes: Cleave on the next creature within range. If no: No cleave allowed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, first, that was hard to follow.. but I'll give this a whirl.</p><p></p><p>G2 gets attacked by HOF during HOF's turn. G1 draws an AoO within HOF's range (why G1 didn't move out of the way is beyond my imagination, but anyway) and gets dropped, activating Cleave. G2 gets attacked since he's within range. Bad move on G1's part, but HOF has the training (as provided by the Cleave feat) to gain an attack on a nearby opponent. Note that nothing in the cleave feat says HOF actually chops through G1, so HOF could even use a piercing melee weapon to gain the cleave. So far everything's making sense to me. </p><p></p><p>Now, here's where it gets weird. If HOF is making a feint, he's trying to deny G2's dex bonus on HOF's *next* turn (as your example implies HOF only has one attack per round). That has nothing to do with cleave, nor, honestly the attack on G1. It's a use of the Bluff skill, which is totally different from taking an attack. If HOF isn't trying to feint, and is just 'swinging like he did' against G1, G2 gets to laugh at him for wasting a standard action. Either way, HOF isn't getting an attack action on G2 that turn. </p><p></p><p>If he's just making a 'wide swing' through where G1 used to be standing, well kudos on HOF's player for coming up with a description other than "I make an attack" and rolling the die. And he only gets the one attack, as there is no other target he's cleaving through.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jhulae, post: 3399292, member: 16958"] It's as Hyp said. There's no 'perception' involved on either side. Did the Cleaver do enough damage with her attack to drop a real (ie non-illusionary) creature? If yes: Cleave on the next creature within range. If no: No cleave allowed. Okay, first, that was hard to follow.. but I'll give this a whirl. G2 gets attacked by HOF during HOF's turn. G1 draws an AoO within HOF's range (why G1 didn't move out of the way is beyond my imagination, but anyway) and gets dropped, activating Cleave. G2 gets attacked since he's within range. Bad move on G1's part, but HOF has the training (as provided by the Cleave feat) to gain an attack on a nearby opponent. Note that nothing in the cleave feat says HOF actually chops through G1, so HOF could even use a piercing melee weapon to gain the cleave. So far everything's making sense to me. Now, here's where it gets weird. If HOF is making a feint, he's trying to deny G2's dex bonus on HOF's *next* turn (as your example implies HOF only has one attack per round). That has nothing to do with cleave, nor, honestly the attack on G1. It's a use of the Bluff skill, which is totally different from taking an attack. If HOF isn't trying to feint, and is just 'swinging like he did' against G1, G2 gets to laugh at him for wasting a standard action. Either way, HOF isn't getting an attack action on G2 that turn. If he's just making a 'wide swing' through where G1 used to be standing, well kudos on HOF's player for coming up with a description other than "I make an attack" and rolling the die. And he only gets the one attack, as there is no other target he's cleaving through. [/QUOTE]
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