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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 1277001" data-attributes="member: 2629">I disagree that this results in a *minor* nontheoretical effect. If a player has these feats in certain styles of games, cleaving off an AoO is not uncommon at all. I've seen it in a few different games with a few different DMs (once used by the DM to take down a PC in the middle of a crowded market with fleeing peasants).If you look at the Temple of Elemental Evil video game, you'll see plenty of combats where a character with that has PA, Cleave, Combat Reflex and Great Cleave can get a huge number of extra attacks in (though in the game he can not select his cleave target). My fighter character (who had the combo at either 4th or 6th level ... I forget which ...) has made great use of the combo, so much so that I cast cat's grace on him instead of bull's strength even though his armor will not allow him to get any AC bonus from the increased dexterity. There were a few battles in which all I had to do was have him run up to the enemy troops and stand next to the meanest guy. The enemy minions tried to move into flanking positions, provoked AoOs and he cut them all down with AoOs/cleaving. One extra free attack on the BBEG at full AB is a big deal. Two, three or four more per round can turn a difficult battle into a cakewalk. If the DM doesn't tend to put minions in with his tougher opponents, this becomes less of an issue. If the DM keeps those minions far away from the BBEG during combat, this becomes less of an issue. But in games where the orc chief surrounds himself with normal orcs, this can become a nightmare. Try balancing a combat where you're unsure if the PC rogue or fighter will get either 7 attacks on the BBEG (five at full BAB, one at BAB -5) during the first round or 2 attacks on him (one at full BAB, one at BAB - 5), depending upon whether he can get to the BBEG before the minions move away. If you guess that he'll get 2 attacks, the BBEG will probably be a joke if the PC does get his 7 attacks. If you guess that he'll get 7 attacks and the PC only gets 2, you might be looking at a TPK.</blockquote>

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