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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1888025" data-attributes="member: 5777">I am afraid that you are simply making up silly situations which make no sense in order to prove that something you do not like makes no sense.It isnt working.If you wish to break the rules of the game (by pretending to be able to make an aoo and thereby do so) then go right ahead, but this is bad.This is not about letting ones guard down, this isnt about someone having something bad happen to them for no fault of their own.It is about one person having the skill to perform an unusual action and doing it. That is all.The fireball example counters your arguement perfectly, it illustrates that sometimes bad things can happen to you without it being your fault. But, it doesnt really matter for the main point for this thread.I think that your entire gripe is simply with Cleave itself. It is a difficult feat to really think about, it works in very odd ways. However, the point is not that it is hard to think about, the point is how it works and what it does.By the raw it is definately allowable. By common sense it is also allowable. I have given reasons why this is so, you have given reasons why your common sense dictates otherwise. Obviously one can come to either conclusion with common sense so we then have to fall to is, 'is it unbalanced?'. In my opinion it is not, the list of things that have to go just right is pretty high for just a single extra attack.I will agree though that not being able to power attack with a light weapon is silly, but that is also neither here nor there for this thread.Yes they are. You get to choose whether or not to take the opportunity. You get to choose which weapon to use. You get to choose what other feats you might want to apply to this action and how to go about enacting them.Also, there are feats such as karmic strike which center completely around useing the aoo in a very deliberate manner.You can say that you cannot plan for it directly in most cases sure, but then you cant plan for cleave either so that point doesnt really help your case. If one has a situation where they get to make a strike why can they suddenly not plan that attack just as much as any other? Especially when they could have used any number of other feats in its place?</blockquote>

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