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<blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 1888701" data-attributes="member: 2268">Let me just summarize a few of the argumentative ways that have been taken here, and voice my opinion on them, okay? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> From a rules point of view, a Cleave following an AoO doesn't seem to be forbidden, so not much of an argument here.From a &quot;realistic&quot; point of view, claiming a warrior who is trained to use the remaining swing from an instant kill to attack the next guy can't do so on one specialized attack sounds a bit weird to my ears, too...just because I used this special opportunity to kill one opponent means I cannot use my training to carry over the attack to my next opponent? Hmmmm.&nbsp;<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> To argue from a &quot;heroic fight&quot; point of view opens a lot of questions about what's to be considered heroic in a D&amp;D fight in the first place. Sneak attack? Attacking a flat-footed opponent? Attacking invisibly? Heroic fighting is a nice concept, but as far as I can see, D&amp;D goes more for cinematic, flashy combat, not so much heroic.And fairness? Sorry, but if somebody tells me I can't use a trained tactic in a fight because it's not &quot;fair&quot; to my opponent...then I'm either playing my character completely against his alignment, or I have to ask back where the ring judge is standing in that fight.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid&nbsp; &nbsp; :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Geron Raveneye, post: 1888701, member: 2268"] Let me just summarize a few of the argumentative ways that have been taken here, and voice my opinion on them, okay? :) From a rules point of view, a Cleave following an AoO doesn't seem to be forbidden, so not much of an argument here. From a "realistic" point of view, claiming a warrior who is trained to use the remaining swing from an instant kill to attack the next guy can't do so on one specialized attack sounds a bit weird to my ears, too...just because I used this special opportunity to kill one opponent means I cannot use my training to carry over the attack to my next opponent? Hmmmm. :confused: To argue from a "heroic fight" point of view opens a lot of questions about what's to be considered heroic in a D&D fight in the first place. Sneak attack? Attacking a flat-footed opponent? Attacking invisibly? Heroic fighting is a nice concept, but as far as I can see, D&D goes more for cinematic, flashy combat, not so much heroic. And fairness? Sorry, but if somebody tells me I can't use a trained tactic in a fight because it's not "fair" to my opponent...then I'm either playing my character completely against his alignment, or I have to ask back where the ring judge is standing in that fight. :uhoh: [/QUOTE]

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