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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1891915" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>I stand corrected:</p><p></p><p>There are only 9 basic possibilities (including indifferents):</p><p></p><p>A - ally</p><p>I - indifferent</p><p>E - enemy</p><p></p><p>AA AI AE IA II IE EA EI EE</p><p></p><p>AA and EE are easy. If someone is friendly to you and you are friendly to them, then they are an ally. If someone is unfriendly to you and you are unfriendly to them, they are an enemy.</p><p></p><p>The other seven cases are less clear, but you have to come up with some consistent ruling.</p><p></p><p>The system as implied by the book is (first column other character, second column my character):</p><p></p><p>AA - A</p><p>AI - A</p><p>AE - A</p><p>IA - N</p><p>II - N</p><p>IE - N</p><p>EA - E</p><p>EI - E</p><p>EE - E</p><p></p><p>A more reasonable definition is what you consider to be true:</p><p></p><p>AA - A</p><p>AI - N</p><p>AE - E</p><p>IA - A</p><p>II - N</p><p>IE - E</p><p>EA - A</p><p>EI - N</p><p>EE - E</p><p></p><p>The former solution here is way off (even though it is implied by the book and might be considered "the rule") because someone I consider an enemy should not get assisted by my Ally spell (the AE case) and someone I consider an ally should not get harmed by my Enemy spell (the AE case). My attitude towards them should take precedence than their attitude towards me (since it is my enemy or ally spell). The spells should not be omnipotent and impossible to defend against (with regard to that omnipotence). Plus, what if it is not a spell and some other form or attack or assistance? The book doesn't make sense in that case.</p><p></p><p>The latter solution here is more reasonable and often easy to adjudicate as well. Anyone I think is my enemy is my enemy (at least in my mind). Anyone I think is my ally is my ally (at least in my mind). But, it is DM dependent on whether it handles the weird blind cleric casting Bane case (if I cannot see them or perceive that they are there, can I really harm or help them?).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1891915, member: 2011"] I stand corrected: There are only 9 basic possibilities (including indifferents): A - ally I - indifferent E - enemy AA AI AE IA II IE EA EI EE AA and EE are easy. If someone is friendly to you and you are friendly to them, then they are an ally. If someone is unfriendly to you and you are unfriendly to them, they are an enemy. The other seven cases are less clear, but you have to come up with some consistent ruling. The system as implied by the book is (first column other character, second column my character): AA - A AI - A AE - A IA - N II - N IE - N EA - E EI - E EE - E A more reasonable definition is what you consider to be true: AA - A AI - N AE - E IA - A II - N IE - E EA - A EI - N EE - E The former solution here is way off (even though it is implied by the book and might be considered "the rule") because someone I consider an enemy should not get assisted by my Ally spell (the AE case) and someone I consider an ally should not get harmed by my Enemy spell (the AE case). My attitude towards them should take precedence than their attitude towards me (since it is my enemy or ally spell). The spells should not be omnipotent and impossible to defend against (with regard to that omnipotence). Plus, what if it is not a spell and some other form or attack or assistance? The book doesn't make sense in that case. The latter solution here is more reasonable and often easy to adjudicate as well. Anyone I think is my enemy is my enemy (at least in my mind). Anyone I think is my ally is my ally (at least in my mind). But, it is DM dependent on whether it handles the weird blind cleric casting Bane case (if I cannot see them or perceive that they are there, can I really harm or help them?). [/QUOTE]
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