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<blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 1892713" data-attributes="member: 2268">They are not &quot;not broken only if&quot;, but because the in-game definition of certain concepts is used to explain them, and those definitions are used because they were used to build the rules we're discussing about here. If you want to discuss a rule based on defined terms, you should use the terms as they were defined to build the rule. If you discuss outside of those definitions, the rule as written might already be useless.If you want a discussion based on the common understanding of enemies and allies, then allow me as DM to ask a fighter who out of the blue attacks the creatures that were summoned by the wizard, who presumably is his ally, to help said figher to overcome an enemy, what reason he has to view those creatures as his enemies? If there's any good reason beside the &quot;I want to get an AoO so I can cleave the big bad guy out of initiative turn&quot;, I might even let it stand? We're talking roleplaying here, not 100% strict tabletop gaming.The tactic to use an AoO on one of those creatures to follow it up with a Cleave on the &quot;real&quot; enemy stems from nothing but metagame thinking, and only is served here to show how a pretty normal combo can be abused. As with everything, abuse only happens if the DM allows it to happen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Geron Raveneye, post: 1892713, member: 2268"] They are not "not broken only if", but because the in-game definition of certain concepts is used to explain them, and those definitions are used because they were used to build the rules we're discussing about here. If you want to discuss a rule based on defined terms, you should use the terms as they were defined to build the rule. If you discuss outside of those definitions, the rule as written might already be useless. If you want a discussion based on the common understanding of enemies and allies, then allow me as DM to ask a fighter who out of the blue attacks the creatures that were summoned by the wizard, who presumably is his ally, to help said figher to overcome an enemy, what reason he has to view those creatures as his enemies? If there's any good reason beside the "I want to get an AoO so I can cleave the big bad guy out of initiative turn", I might even let it stand? We're talking roleplaying here, not 100% strict tabletop gaming. The tactic to use an AoO on one of those creatures to follow it up with a Cleave on the "real" enemy stems from nothing but metagame thinking, and only is served here to show how a pretty normal combo can be abused. As with everything, abuse only happens if the DM allows it to happen. [/QUOTE]

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