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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1896677" data-attributes="member: 2011">I would tell such a DM to go take a hike and easily convince my fellow intelligent gamers that we need a new DM.The entire point of Summoning spells is to put the summoned creatures into harms way in order to assist the party.If that requires wiping out the summoned creatures with Combat Reflexes AoO Cleave in order to get more powerful attacks against the foe, or having the summoned creatures attack the foe directly, or having the summoned creatures walk over a bridge in order to set off any traps (or to set off a trap we know about), that's what it means.A DM who didn't understand this and tried to play the alignment card when we are talking about summoned creatures doesn't deserve to be DM and would get replaced in our group.What drivel!DMs can do what they want, but even they are sanctioned by the group. That does not mean that the players always (or even often) get their way, but it does mean that a DM had better put such strange summon creature restrictions up front in his house rules, or he won't stay DM for long.Next you'll be saying that the ectoplasmic constructs from Astral Construct will result in alignment changes if they are abused as well. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :eek:"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1896677, member: 2011"] I would tell such a DM to go take a hike and easily convince my fellow intelligent gamers that we need a new DM. The entire point of Summoning spells is to put the summoned creatures into harms way in order to assist the party. If that requires wiping out the summoned creatures with Combat Reflexes AoO Cleave in order to get more powerful attacks against the foe, or having the summoned creatures attack the foe directly, or having the summoned creatures walk over a bridge in order to set off any traps (or to set off a trap we know about), that's what it means. A DM who didn't understand this and tried to play the alignment card when we are talking about summoned creatures doesn't deserve to be DM and would get replaced in our group. What drivel! DMs can do what they want, but even they are sanctioned by the group. That does not mean that the players always (or even often) get their way, but it does mean that a DM had better put such strange summon creature restrictions up front in his house rules, or he won't stay DM for long. Next you'll be saying that the ectoplasmic constructs from Astral Construct will result in alignment changes if they are abused as well. :eek: [/QUOTE]

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