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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 1897037" data-attributes="member: 307">In other words, your DMs seem to have ruled that &quot;whatever is convenient for the players is not evil&quot;. Which seems to be the only ruling you will accept on an alignment issue.Other than the fact that you have summoned a creature for the express purpose of killing it. The ends don't justify the means is a basic tenet of a good alignment. Summoning a celestial creature is not evil, intentionally killing a celestial creature is. Summoning a fiendish creature is an evil act, summoning it just to kill it further compounds the evil nature of the act. In other words, summoning a creature, for the express purpose of killing it, is always an evil act, no matter what the eventual consequences to the creature are.Turn it around: suppose someone from another plane summoned you, simply to kill you. Would that be okay just because you would reform a day later? Or would the pain and suffering caused you while you were being hacked apart be wrong?Further, would you expect a benevolent deity to be perfectly okay with such a use for his celestial charges?Except that they clearly can be hurt by the rules as written: during the process when they are killed you are hurting them, intentionally, for your own convenience. I'm not sure if you can come up with a more clear definition of &quot;evil&quot; than intentionally inflicting pain upon creatures solely for your own convenience.I am left to wonder at the depraved system of morality used in your games where intentionally summoning creatures solely for the purpose of inflicting pain and death (even if that death is temporary) upon them is considered to be AOK.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 1897037, member: 307"] In other words, your DMs seem to have ruled that "whatever is convenient for the players is not evil". Which seems to be the only ruling you will accept on an alignment issue. Other than the fact that you have summoned a creature for the express purpose of killing it. The ends don't justify the means is a basic tenet of a good alignment. Summoning a celestial creature is not evil, intentionally killing a celestial creature is. Summoning a fiendish creature is an evil act, summoning it just to kill it further compounds the evil nature of the act. In other words, summoning a creature, for the express purpose of killing it, is always an evil act, no matter what the eventual consequences to the creature are. Turn it around: suppose someone from another plane summoned you, simply to kill you. Would that be okay just because you would reform a day later? Or would the pain and suffering caused you while you were being hacked apart be wrong? Further, would you expect a benevolent deity to be perfectly okay with such a use for his celestial charges? Except that they clearly can be hurt by the rules as written: during the process when they are killed you are hurting them, intentionally, for your own convenience. I'm not sure if you can come up with a more clear definition of "evil" than intentionally inflicting pain upon creatures solely for your own convenience. I am left to wonder at the depraved system of morality used in your games where intentionally summoning creatures solely for the purpose of inflicting pain and death (even if that death is temporary) upon them is considered to be AOK. [/QUOTE]

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