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<blockquote data-quote="Vlos" data-source="post: 1897261" data-attributes="member: 15447">Ok, Philip hit a point.Ok, now take a fighter with Cleave, Improved Cleave, Combat Reflexes. All SRD feats. (assuming high dex for CR +4)Now summon 4 illusioned minions. Have then charge and attack (using bare hands) the fighter who is standing next to the big bad guy.Ok all charge at same time. # = illusion, P1 = Player, BBEG = Bigbadevilguy#1 Charge, P1 AoO, #1 die, P1 Cleave (BBEG), #2 Charge, P1 AoO, #2 die, P1 Cleave (BBEG), #3 Charge, P1 AoO, #3 die, P1 Cleave (BBEG), #4 Charge, P1 AoO, #4 die, P1 Cleave (BBEG), And even if they don't charge, attacking unarmed would also provoke AoO.Or take an illusion of a swarm of evil kobolds (unarmed) that charge out and attack the fighter around the guy, how many small creatures can surround a medium, with a BBEG taking up one side? Illusion is very believeable because a high level fighter can easily kill kobolds in a single strike.For the Gms that have players who argue for this, have a large/huge creature use the same tactic. How many kobolds can surround a dragon? With its reach included...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vlos, post: 1897261, member: 15447"] Ok, Philip hit a point. Ok, now take a fighter with Cleave, Improved Cleave, Combat Reflexes. All SRD feats. (assuming high dex for CR +4) Now summon 4 illusioned minions. Have then charge and attack (using bare hands) the fighter who is standing next to the big bad guy. Ok all charge at same time. # = illusion, P1 = Player, BBEG = Bigbadevilguy #1 Charge, P1 AoO, #1 die, P1 Cleave (BBEG), #2 Charge, P1 AoO, #2 die, P1 Cleave (BBEG), #3 Charge, P1 AoO, #3 die, P1 Cleave (BBEG), #4 Charge, P1 AoO, #4 die, P1 Cleave (BBEG), And even if they don't charge, attacking unarmed would also provoke AoO. Or take an illusion of a swarm of evil kobolds (unarmed) that charge out and attack the fighter around the guy, how many small creatures can surround a medium, with a BBEG taking up one side? Illusion is very believeable because a high level fighter can easily kill kobolds in a single strike. For the Gms that have players who argue for this, have a large/huge creature use the same tactic. How many kobolds can surround a dragon? With its reach included... [/QUOTE]

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