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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 1897980" data-attributes="member: 1266">First a question for everyone who thinks you should be able to cleave off an AoO, do you allow fighters to make AoOs against characters who fail their save vs the Hold Person Spell. Given that the AoO/Cleave is always described as "the guy who didn't provoke the AoO was taken off guard for the briefest instant when his buddy was dropped allowing an opening in his otherwise competent defenses", wouldn't suddenly becoming helpless provoke an AoO also? Now back to the strangely skewed topic at hand. The odds of my failing the save was 3 out of 20.The odds of me dying if I failed that save, well what're the odds of rolling 47 points or more on 12d6. Heck average damage would've made me a one shot drop. Except summoned creatures go home, your PC friends leave home.The summoned creatures are none the worse when they get home, your PC buddies lose a level if the come back home.You don't have to agree that its all hunky dory but you do see the difference don't you? In 1st edition you could summon NPCs, however since you can't summon specific creatures with the summoning spells now you'd have to research your own unique spell. At that point I'd say go for it - Assuming your dead PC had a celestial/fiendish template before he died or you institute a house rule that you gain said template after you died. The character isn't a PC anymore so no worries. Have at them.  It can. However,1) The other PCs usually have too many hit points to drop and make the tactic viable.2) Players are attached to their characters.3) Unlike summoned creatures, offing the PC sets the PC back. There is a difference between whacking your friends character and whacking a fiendish weasel summoned to fight and die any ways. There isn't a difference between your buddy whacking the summoned creatures to take down the BBEG and the BBEG whacking them while they try to take him down. Either you're worried about the summoned creatures dying or you're not. You can't have it both ways. Your turn - Would you send a group of 3rd graders to attack a psychotic axe murderer so the police can get close without getting hurt?  If not, how can your character summon a bunch of piddly 1 HD critters to attack a 9th level ogre barbarian? Its a game, things work differently in a game. C'ya</blockquote>

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