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<blockquote data-quote="Philip" data-source="post: 1899294" data-attributes="member: 10993">I don't think it comes down to that. My argument is that some people may be banning it even though it is allowed by the RAW and it is not abusive/broken besides. I am just trying to explain why I (and maybe some others) feel that way.A spell that kills human clerics named 'Al'Qadir' without the benefit of a save or SR and can only be cast by dragons may not be abusive and be allowed by the RAW, but is sure as hell is unfair to the player of said cleric. Unjust even.I propose that such a spell goes against the basic premise of the game, the unwritten contract, the norms between players-DM's.What is unfair and fair, and just and unjust is always in dispute, of course. That is why we are having this discussion. I only know that I, and the friends I play D&amp;D with, either find the AoO+Cleave unfair, or don't care much you can or can't do it. Thus AoO+Cleave is banned from our game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Philip, post: 1899294, member: 10993"] I don't think it comes down to that. My argument is that some people may be banning it even though it is allowed by the RAW and it is not abusive/broken besides. I am just trying to explain why I (and maybe some others) feel that way. A spell that kills human clerics named 'Al'Qadir' without the benefit of a save or SR and can only be cast by dragons may not be abusive and be allowed by the RAW, but is sure as hell is unfair to the player of said cleric. Unjust even. I propose that such a spell goes against the basic premise of the game, the unwritten contract, the norms between players-DM's. What is unfair and fair, and just and unjust is always in dispute, of course. That is why we are having this discussion. I only know that I, and the friends I play D&D with, either find the AoO+Cleave unfair, or don't care much you can or can't do it. Thus AoO+Cleave is banned from our game. [/QUOTE]

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