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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1899977" data-attributes="member: 5777">1) wha..? So, the fact that someone 'might' have cleave and an aoo remaining for the round and have another one of your teamates and you might be very low on hp and the 'weird' action might be one with an aoo that you cannot prevent (most are preventable in one way or another) somehow limits you this desperately? I highly doubt that. It just doesnt come up often enough for that to matter.2) I dont see how this is true either, especially if you allow things like tripping with aoos. Same deal.3) of course, from my point of view it would be the opposite, 'what do you mean I cant cleave? he got knocked out yes? so it qualifies for my special condition. What next, my fireball will actually not do damage unless it is a tuesday?' Changing the rules midgame or making things different just because someone thinks it would be difficult to perform such an action in the real world is just a bad way to go.4) as I stated before, this is actually one of the few things that really works well for the pc's but very poorly for the npc's against the pcs. As such it is very nice. Anything that can help the pc's more than the npc's is a boon to that aspect of the game, especially as it is so very easy for it to be in reverse with a great number of other things.All in all, it just seems like people dislike cleave or like taking things away from the players that might somehow help them. The first type of people shouldnt even be in this thread as they already dont want cleave to work period, the second just confuse me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1899977, member: 5777"] 1) wha..? So, the fact that someone 'might' have cleave and an aoo remaining for the round and have another one of your teamates and you might be very low on hp and the 'weird' action might be one with an aoo that you cannot prevent (most are preventable in one way or another) somehow limits you this desperately? I highly doubt that. It just doesnt come up often enough for that to matter. 2) I dont see how this is true either, especially if you allow things like tripping with aoos. Same deal. 3) of course, from my point of view it would be the opposite, 'what do you mean I cant cleave? he got knocked out yes? so it qualifies for my special condition. What next, my fireball will actually not do damage unless it is a tuesday?' Changing the rules midgame or making things different just because someone thinks it would be difficult to perform such an action in the real world is just a bad way to go. 4) as I stated before, this is actually one of the few things that really works well for the pc's but very poorly for the npc's against the pcs. As such it is very nice. Anything that can help the pc's more than the npc's is a boon to that aspect of the game, especially as it is so very easy for it to be in reverse with a great number of other things. All in all, it just seems like people dislike cleave or like taking things away from the players that might somehow help them. The first type of people shouldnt even be in this thread as they already dont want cleave to work period, the second just confuse me ;) [/QUOTE]

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