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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1901089" data-attributes="member: 5777">Have you even read the thread? do you have any clue what you are talking about?People have come out and said that they simply do not like cleave, in this very thread strangly enough.Saying that people who dislike cleave should not complain about aoo + cleave because they are coming from a position where it doesnt matter what happens, they are still against it. The same goes for people who dislike aoo's. If you think that half of the whole topic is either 'silly' or 'stupid' or a 'waste of time' then there really isnt any place to discuss the ins and outs of the combo.So, if people dislike cleave (and no, your anology about vegetables means nothing, as the closest I can see coming with that is someone not likeing feats in general, or someone claiming that just because a person dislikes cleave that they dislike feats, which is not what is going on here) then they will pretty much automatically dislike aoo's plus cleave. Their opinions on how well balanced it is will generally not be helpful.My assertion was merely that people who dislike one of the two parts will not be able to discuss it properly. Not catagorizing everyone here.If you disagree with my assertion then feel free, but come up with something much more solid than, 'oh, you are just putting people in some category'. Especially when they put themselves in that category and I merely pointed it out in addition to their own comments.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1901089, member: 5777"] Have you even read the thread? do you have any clue what you are talking about? People have come out and said that they simply do not like cleave, in this very thread strangly enough. Saying that people who dislike cleave should not complain about aoo + cleave because they are coming from a position where it doesnt matter what happens, they are still against it. The same goes for people who dislike aoo's. If you think that half of the whole topic is either 'silly' or 'stupid' or a 'waste of time' then there really isnt any place to discuss the ins and outs of the combo. So, if people dislike cleave (and no, your anology about vegetables means nothing, as the closest I can see coming with that is someone not likeing feats in general, or someone claiming that just because a person dislikes cleave that they dislike feats, which is not what is going on here) then they will pretty much automatically dislike aoo's plus cleave. Their opinions on how well balanced it is will generally not be helpful. My assertion was merely that people who dislike one of the two parts will not be able to discuss it properly. Not catagorizing everyone here. If you disagree with my assertion then feel free, but come up with something much more solid than, 'oh, you are just putting people in some category'. Especially when they put themselves in that category and I merely pointed it out in addition to their own comments. [/QUOTE]

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