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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1902535" data-attributes="member: 2011">Read FireLance's well thought out post.The bottom line of the fairness issue is:Cleave during your turn does not give you any more additional attacks against any single opponent than you could normally have had in your turn. If you get 3 attacks per round during a full round attack, you will not get more than 3 attacks against a single opponent (assuming no other feat combination that gets past this like Whirlwind Great Cleave) no matter how you choose to attack.Cleave during AoO gives you an additional attack against any single opponent which you could normally not have had.So in one case, you get no additional attacks against one single opponent (e.g. the BBEG).In the other case, you do get an additional attack against an opponent and you also get this additional attack when the opponent you are doing it against did not do anything to warrant it.That is basically the definition of fairness and equity. If someone gets something that they did not deserve (either positively or negatively). The purpose of Cleave is to not waste one of your full round attacks on an opponent who is almost dead anyway, not to get a free unjustified attack against the BBEG because someone else on the battlefield was a moron.The real problem with AoO Cleave is that you get a free attack (free attacks in the Combat Reflexes AoO Great Cleave case) against someone who did not provoke that free attack and it is (IMO) a game loophole that allows you to do this. Any feat that allows for an additional attack could just have easily been written that it only occurs on the characters turn and we would not have had this 14 page discussion at all. Nobody would have even thought about this and it would be a non-issue.</blockquote>

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