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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5571714" data-attributes="member: 78116">That's exactly what I am thinking though, because the Warlord as written in the PHB is one of the strongest leaders in the game. If you honestly think you needed MP1/2 to make the warlord good, you never saw a mostly PHB Warlord using the likes of Relentless Assault (which was nerfed). Not to mention even nerfed, Relentless Assault blows ANYTHING a epic cleric has out of the water and right to the top of Mt Everest. Then you have Lead the Attack or "Bring the alpha strike to the party" enabler. Again, even nerfed it's *still* one of the best powers a Warlord has.This would be wrong, it is far more accurate to say they just get more great options on top of already delicious and great options. This would be true of the Cleric, who gets a lot out of divine power and the newer books.PHB Warlords have: Tactical Presence (Bonus to attacks when spend AP - brilliant enabler), a bonus to initiative, Lead the Attack, Commander's Strike, Battle Captain Paragon Path - particularly with Bolt of Genius (Regain an encounter attack power like Brutal Barrage or Rain of Blows? Why thank you Mr. Warlord), oh and look at the level 16 feature too BTW -, Defy Death - I would LOVE it if you compared this to the Clerics Godstrike. Go ahead, I dare you. - Stand Invincible, Incite Heroism, Relentless Assault and I could go on.Warlords were amazing out of the PHB. They are still amazing. The Cleric wasn't anywhere near the Warlord in the PHB, even with the huge bursts. It was more obviously powerful, but when people began to figure out the system it became clear just how strong enabling was compared to outright healing. But again, I ask you to compare Defy Death with the Strength Clerics Godstrike. Is one of these powers broken or is the other one just plain garbage and should be buffed?Edit: Checking Char-Op, many of the warlords best powers (rated highest) all come from the PHB. But you know, that's exactly what I would expect.Edit2: Yep, nearly every level PHB warlords have powers that are perfectly competitive with those of MP1/MP2. Well and truly disproving this point.Edit3: How oh how did I forget one of the best powers in the game? Hail of Steel. Also right out of the PHB.</blockquote>

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