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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IanB" data-source="post: 5573570" data-attributes="member: 1473">I appreciate dropping the sarcasm, thanks. It isn't my intention to move the goalposts around but as I'm posting around every other day I do tend to lose my train of thought a bit, so sorry about that.You did make the case fine for the PHB warlord, I probably latched onto the defy death/godstrike comparison too much because it felt a little off-topic given the whole thread to this point had basically been about the wisdom side of the cleric, and that's where you got most... excited, I guess. I guess it more or less comes down to this for me: if the cleric is good enough to get the group through what the DM is throwing at them, it doesn't really matter much how it stacks up to the warlord in exact terms unless you get them both into the same group and there's a player with performance envy or the like. Actually they probably play quite well together since they could then each specialize more heavily on what they do well... But yeah, it would have been nice for those dailies to get a little more leader-flavored love to make up for the nerfs a bit certainly. Even just leaving them as group-friendly would have probably been enough, honestly.That there are a few epic monsters who shut down the cleric's main strength is to be expected, really, that kind of holds true for everything at epic to some degree or another.</blockquote>