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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 3459182" data-attributes="member: 30610">Okay, then I can see how you wouldn't agree to the DSP proposition either.  Let's just say that we differ in our rules interpretations.Okay, if you want to talk about situations where the ability doesn't work, I'm sure there are some situations where the DMM<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> won't serve you well either.  I said above that there are situations where DSP: holy word and its derivative uses are not going to help.  That's certainly one of them.  (Though I might point out that if the cleric is taken by surprise - which isn't supposed to happen - he can just word of recall out and deal with you later.  Almost any caster can escape.  That's why instantly winning, rather than relying on death through hit point loss, is crucial at higher levels.)My point is just that it is conceptually one thing to say, "I am mighty and have really awesome numbers for melee combat.  You can fight me but you won't win," and another to say, "My enemies do not tend to survive long enough for any of their stats to matter."  Conceptually, I happen to think that the latter scenario is more broken.</blockquote>