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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 5805593" data-attributes="member: 2167">Can we answer both/neither?IMHO, I'd prefer to see... * Cleric: The adventuring arm of the church. They use magic and arms to be the common enforcers and adventurers of the faith. There should be the option for some differentiation from faith to faith, but overall a cleric is a cleric. This class should focus on damage and healing magic (as is required of an adventurer). Accomplished through a mix of spells (for damage and utility) and powers (for healing, so that healing and spells don't use the same resource). This is the hybrid or middle ground class.* Priest: The devout and more sociopolitical and heavy spellcasting branch of the faith.  More akin to a mage than a cleric and specifically different from faith to faith as far as class abilities.  * Paladin: The holy warrior of the faith (no more LG only Paladins). The most righteous and zealous champions of the faith. The should be living embodiments, symbols of their faith.Personally, in a lot of ways I also like the way Fantasy Craft approached it.They use the Priest base class that covers all of the basic archetypes like shaman, druid, and cleric. They have some basic abilities that tie them together like a basic augury/commune type ability but then each priest is different based on their faith. For instance a priest of a faith dedicated to the deity of thieving would have abilities like Darkvision and the ability to cast spells like blur, darkness, disguise self, etc. - while a priest of a war deity may gain melee powers like armor-piercing, additional damage with the chosen weapon of the faith, etc.Another option is that you also have Specialties (kind of like Themes/Kits) that can are applied such as Cleric, Druid, Shaman, etc. that can be applied technically to any class. If added to a priest it defines your priestly role even more, but also allows for other types of "devout" characters such as the Soldier-Cleric, the Scout-Druid, the Mage-Shaman, etc.In that system, Paladins are also not a base class but an Expert class (kind of like a PRC) attainable at Level 5 by anyone that is devout (FC uses a different system for faith/alignment than D&D), has good Charisma and has training in field medicine (a feat). They gain a mix of combat abilities, faith specific powers, some leadership/inspiration powers and some basic healing (lay on hands).IMHO, there is nothing wrong with growing the D&D concepts of old and making them better while still retaining the feel of the classes.</blockquote>

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