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<blockquote data-quote="Grogg of the North" data-source="post: 6660934" data-attributes="member: 6682960">Hmm ... well given the Bard's music and their spell selection, you can leave party buffing to him.&nbsp; For debuffing you'll have access to things like Poison, Bestow Curse, Blind/Deaf, and things like Wrack (If you're evil) or Lastai's Caress (if you're good).&nbsp; Direct damage, you always have Inflicts and Harm.&nbsp; Or you can blast with Deific Vengeance, Flame Strike or Searing Light.&nbsp; Dragon Breath is great for the utility it provides.&nbsp; Arcanists are going to be able to drop more d6's than you usually.&nbsp; For Battlefield Control, you can use Briar Web which is basically Entangle+.&nbsp; Energize Potion can be funny to use (why are we still carrying a potion of Read Magic?).&nbsp; Stone shape works if you're in a stone area, like a dungeon or underground.&nbsp; Dancing Web is available if you're good.&nbsp; Wall of Stone is, unfortunately, conjuration.&nbsp; You'll get access to Blade Barrier next level.&nbsp; I don't know how your DM thinks but I usually let my players know that tactics are a two way street.&nbsp; If the PCs keep using things like Finger of Death then they can't complain if the monsters do too.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grogg of the North, post: 6660934, member: 6682960"] Hmm ... well given the Bard's music and their spell selection, you can leave party buffing to him. For debuffing you'll have access to things like Poison, Bestow Curse, Blind/Deaf, and things like Wrack (If you're evil) or Lastai's Caress (if you're good). Direct damage, you always have Inflicts and Harm. Or you can blast with Deific Vengeance, Flame Strike or Searing Light. Dragon Breath is great for the utility it provides. Arcanists are going to be able to drop more d6's than you usually. For Battlefield Control, you can use Briar Web which is basically Entangle+. Energize Potion can be funny to use (why are we still carrying a potion of Read Magic?). Stone shape works if you're in a stone area, like a dungeon or underground. Dancing Web is available if you're good. Wall of Stone is, unfortunately, conjuration. You'll get access to Blade Barrier next level. I don't know how your DM thinks but I usually let my players know that tactics are a two way street. If the PCs keep using things like Finger of Death then they can't complain if the monsters do too. [/QUOTE]

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