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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 2035307" data-attributes="member: 1465">I like the UA variant spontaneous divine casters a lot:- spontaneous casting fits well with the idea that divine casters don't really "learn" or "understand" spells since they get powers through devotion (not study like a Wizard); spontaneous casting has the flavor of "look what I can do, but don't ask me how I do it..."- it makes cleric of different deities really different, and what each cleric can do is much more in line with her faith than the generic core class- it lowers the commonality of some clerical spells which IMHO don't fit with the generic cleric, such as Air Walk, Blade Barrier or Animate ObjectsHowever it is not a nerf of the character, it is a nerf of the rest of the party  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> A typical spontaneous cleric (unless she has the Healing domain) will have to learn healing spells separately, and that means to get to cast them ONE LEVEL LATER. It also means that - given the low number of spells known altogether - she won't be easily able to remove every possible affliction (ability damage, poison, disease, blindness, curse...). This will likely make the other characters complain...But the Cleric itself is not nerfed IMHO! Compare a spontaneous cleric to the core Sorcerer.- spells known are drawn from an overall weaker list- two bonus spells known every odd level (tho you only choose the domains, not the specific spells)- almost twice the HP, better BAB and slightly better saves- turn undead instead of familiar (let's call this even...)- armor proficiency + NO ARCANE SPELL FAILUREI have no problems allowing the spontaneous Clerics IMC, but the only problem is that with the right domain AND spell selection you can very much approximate a sorcerer (albeit with less versatility) with much better defense. No ASF is great!</blockquote>

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