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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7403280" data-attributes="member: 23751">You seem to be taking the 2e/3e position on gods, where they use servitors to give spells to their followers.  That's fine.  However, the gods also are aware of all of their clerics and what those clerics do, regardless of level.  While Gruumsh may not be giving spells directly to that cleric, he is aware that the cleric is perverting what he stands for.  Also, clerics do relate directly to their gods.  They follow their god's ethos religiously(heheh).From the 5e PHB..."As varied as the gods they serve, clerics strive to embody the handiwork of their deities. No ordinary priest, a cleric is imbued with divine magic."and..."When a cleric takes up an adventuring life, it is usually because his or her god demands it. Pursuing the goals of the gods often involves braving dangers beyond thewalls of civilization, smiting evil or seeking holy relics in ancient tombs."As you can see, the clerics are all about doing the god's will and acting in accordance with their god's wishes.First off, real world religions need not apply.  If God only granted Protestants clerical powers, you wouldn't see most of the other sects as it would be clear which path is correct.  Second, all christians follow christ as lord and savior, love their brothers, etc.  Where they vary is in the details of following the primary edicts of Christ.  You don't see a sect of christianity that worships satan, or doesn't believe in Jesus, which is the equivalent of the gruumsh issue.  Third, I already addressed this above with my Thor example.  You might have a sect that believes thunder storms are Thor's favorite, and another that things tornadoes are his favorite.  You aren't going to find one that things that peaceful solutions to the world's problems is a good way to follow Thor.No.  I run things in shades of grey.  What you are suggesting is that we fit hot pink into this and call it grey.</blockquote>

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