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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Riley37" data-source="post: 7404424" data-attributes="member: 6786839">I agree. The elven and dwarven gods took everything for themselves, with no regard for others. That's how the PHB defines "evil". I see no shades of grey in this story: they committed an evil action, and Gruumsh reacts as a Paladin of Vengeance.First they took all the lands, without self-restraint or compassion, then they *laughed* at Gruumsh. On the day that the elves stop denying the forests to orcs, then Gruumsh will cease hostilities against the elven lands. When the dwarves decide to share the mountains with orcs, then Gruumsh will make peace with the dwarven settlements. Until then, orcs will "take and destroy all that the other races would deny them", as you have so clearly established with your canonical source material quotations.  Gods and mortals are both most dangerous when they have nothing left to lose. If you consider Gruumsh evil, then you must also consider Nelson Mandella evil. Which, at this point, would not surprise me.Are you going to justify the actions of the elven and dwarven gods? Oh, go ahead and try; this will be amusing.</blockquote>