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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5860591" data-attributes="member: 92511">I'm with you on Mage cantrips. And with the fact that orisons never really caught on the same way.I use the former in my campaigns but not the latter. That is, there are no clerical orisons in the game world.My thinking or interpretation for this is, Mages needed cantrips. It made them more &quot;magicky&quot; without giving them stuff that was &quot;game-breaking&quot; and let them feel like they could do more than just 1 spell a day and then nothing for the rest.The cleric doesn't/didn't really need this. They had armor. They had weapons. They had, originally in AD&amp;D, more spells when applying their high Wisdom (if the character had high enough) bonus spells to their daily allotment (another thing I borrowed/houserules into my mages for their enjoment). So, I doubt we will see orisons in 5e. But I won't complain if we do. Maybe they will have them and only be allowed for the new &quot;Priest&quot; class, which it would seem, would be good flavor much the same way as cantrips did for MUs. Since, I believe, Priests are supposed to be the &quot;divine-caster class&quot; and won't get the armor and weapon options of the Cleric, that might work.--SD.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 5860591, member: 92511"] I'm with you on Mage cantrips. And with the fact that orisons never really caught on the same way. I use the former in my campaigns but not the latter. That is, there are no clerical orisons in the game world. My thinking or interpretation for this is, Mages needed cantrips. It made them more "magicky" without giving them stuff that was "game-breaking" and let them feel like they could do more than just 1 spell a day and then nothing for the rest. The cleric doesn't/didn't really need this. They had armor. They had weapons. They had, originally in AD&D, more spells when applying their high Wisdom (if the character had high enough) bonus spells to their daily allotment (another thing I borrowed/houserules into my mages for their enjoment). So, I doubt we will see orisons in 5e. But I won't complain if we do. Maybe they will have them and only be allowed for the new "Priest" class, which it would seem, would be good flavor much the same way as cantrips did for MUs. Since, I believe, Priests are supposed to be the "divine-caster class" and won't get the armor and weapon options of the Cleric, that might work. --SD . [/QUOTE]

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