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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 8850609" data-attributes="member: 6750235">How so?  Weaker spell casting, worse armor, worse saving throw proficiency, lack of damage options.....In the earlier levels that were just compared, bards average a +3 bonus to two d20 die rolls in the entire day, have and extra skill proficiency, and have expertise.  Songs of Restoration replacing Song of Rest removed an ability and forced bards to just cast spells like they already could.  A cleric can use the scholar ability to add 2 skill proficiencies and emulate expertise in those skills while still being generally better.The spell schools restrict bards too much and also deny iconic spells / abilities from previous editions and folklore.  Rangers having all schools except evocation gives them a broader spell list than bards.  The arcane / divine / primal spell lists are very bad for a class that gained much of it's usefulness in the variety of spells available from a class spell list that blended them.  Now instead of other spell casters being a bit better than bards with spells they overshadow bards significantly.  The skill bonuses and a few inspiration bonuses don't balance that out like they did with the blended class list.Clerics, OTOH, added abilities with holy order (instead of losing something like song of rest) and improved the channel divinity feature with the healing / damage option.  The cleric spell list remained largely unchanged instead of removing iconic bard spells (like lifting curses, breaking enchantments, and cursing enemies) from previous editions and folklore.  The changes to the cleric look like good changes.  It's the changes to the bard class that cause bards to suddenly look bad in comparison.</blockquote>

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