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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dmnqwk" data-source="post: 6781261" data-attributes="member: 6804204">I agree that compared to the Paladin it's a worry in how to handle a "martial-based" cleric.At 14th level, a Warcaster Bard has Extra Attack, plus gets to cast a spell and make an attack in a single round. With the way Cantrips scale it's very tough in 5th edition to grant melee attacks to a martial-based caster and keep the focus on the martial aspect (At 17th level, the Valor Bard could have a 4d10 firebolt going out, then get to strike with a 1d8+3 weapon, which is fairly trivial as a % of the overall output).If we don't give a Cleric extra attack the hard part is to create a system which focuses on the melee aspect of the class, while allowing the spells to support it (similar to Warcaster, or Eldritch Knight). The Cleric, btw, already gets the "psuedo smite" under War Domain, but without the extra attack it scales up to 2d8 (so a 14th level War Cleric can attack twice in a round through their domain power, and add 2d8 radiant damage to each attack already).I've yet to try it out, the one shot I was going to try it in got cancelled due to no-shows so I'm going to have to wait on that (and the only other campaign I am in currently I'm already playing a Bard). I think maybe I'll have to look at using the Warcaster process of allowing cantrips + attacks, since it's what is demanded for most martial-based casters. (I'll edit the main page to show the changes)</blockquote>

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