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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7600658" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Well, technically, faith <em>is not</em> defined as belief without proof. It's a definition that has arisen relatively recently, and which certain communities promote, but that is not what faith means.</p><p></p><p>And even if it was, you don't understand the word "proof" either.</p><p></p><p>Consider the question, do you believe your wife will be faithful to you? That is, do you have faith in your wife? Will she keep faith with you? Suppose your answer that question "Yes." What proof could you offer that would be convincing to a skeptic? You cannot see the future, so how can you be sure? People are frequently deceived, so how do you know that you have not been? Can you perform an experiment and gain empirical evidence to prove such an assertion? Yet, many people would feel confident in answering questions like that with, "Yes.", because they believe that they have all the proof that they need. </p><p></p><p>Faith is not some esoteric thing. It's simply a confidence and trust. It may be - but is not always - a confidence in something for which no certainty is possible, but it is a confidence grounded in sufficient evidence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7600658, member: 4937"] Well, technically, faith [I]is not[/I] defined as belief without proof. It's a definition that has arisen relatively recently, and which certain communities promote, but that is not what faith means. And even if it was, you don't understand the word "proof" either. Consider the question, do you believe your wife will be faithful to you? That is, do you have faith in your wife? Will she keep faith with you? Suppose your answer that question "Yes." What proof could you offer that would be convincing to a skeptic? You cannot see the future, so how can you be sure? People are frequently deceived, so how do you know that you have not been? Can you perform an experiment and gain empirical evidence to prove such an assertion? Yet, many people would feel confident in answering questions like that with, "Yes.", because they believe that they have all the proof that they need. Faith is not some esoteric thing. It's simply a confidence and trust. It may be - but is not always - a confidence in something for which no certainty is possible, but it is a confidence grounded in sufficient evidence. [/QUOTE]
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