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Message: <blockquote data-quote="stephenh" data-source="post: 1571376" data-attributes="member: 8620">One question I have about some of these turning abilities is whether even by the rules they should stack? I don't know much about the sacred armor but I was thinking more with repect to the Phylactery of Undead Turning and the Improved turning feat. From the SRDPhylactery of Undead Turning: This item is a boon to any character able to turn undead, allowing him to do so as if his class level were four levels higher than it actually is.Improved Turning: You turn or rebuke creatures as if you were one level higher than you are in the class that grants you the ability.I assume the sacred armor is worded in some similar manner?Should these two things stack together? e.g. for a 10th level cleric you could read at as if the Phylactery of Undead Turning allows the character to turn as 14th level cleric (base cleric level of 10 + 4 for the item) and that the Improved Turning allows a character to turn as a 11th level cleric  (base 10 +1 for the feat). Both of these (item and feat) base their increase relative to a class level, which is fixed for any particular character. Basically I am not sure that they should stack. What does anyone else think?</blockquote>