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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vicaring" data-source="post: 6829228" data-attributes="member: 6803850">That's entirely true, yes. And also, for four editions running we've had direct support for the heavy-armor wearing, sword-wielding and shield-carrying and infidel-smiting kind of Cleric, and for four editions running we've had the question of what exactly is a Paladin's place in the lore of things with that kind of Cleric out there.Clerics are Holy Warriors. They are also other things, depending upon your particular flavor, but Holy Warrior is one. Paladins are Holy Warriors. What then, lore-wise, is the difference? They both fulfill the same function in the campaign world.I hear what both you and Hemlock are saying, and I don't actually disagree with it. I personally really like the "Oath of the Crown" Paladin subclass as presented in the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, and can really wrap my head around that, and I like that it seems WoTC might be moving that direction with the Paladin; which is getting back to what I was saying earlier: make the Paladin more of a traditional chivalrous Knight. Drop the faith-based magic, keep the smites and such, re-flavored as something less religion-centric, and there you go.All of that to say, In Other Words, give me back my Knights of Solamnia <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />EDIT: I said earlier that Clerics have never been Priests. I should perhaps have said that Clerics originally were not priests. And when I say originally, I mean way back in the red-box day. Everything changed with 2e.</blockquote>

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