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Cleric vs Paladin: Concepts and Mechanical realisation
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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7864856" data-attributes="member: 6750235"><p>I think it's still a valid discussion. Just maybe not worth the necro. I didn't notice at first and gave [USER=15700]@Sacrosanct[/USER] a like for a post over 3 years old, lol.</p><p></p><p>I actually think of clerics as the warrior priest with the emphasis on "priest" while "warrior" is just descriptive. It's a bit misleading, however, because clerics don't need any proficiency in religion or a background to support any priesthood. A divine agent is a better description.</p><p></p><p>The warrior part comes from the fact they are trained in some armor, shields, and basic weapons. They did have stronger attack progression than other classes in previous editions to match. Levels of combat training and ability are not binary conditions. They are represented to lesser and greater degrees for all classes. I compare the combat training to a commoner for my point of reference. In that respect, even wizards are warrior mages from the eyes of the commoner. </p><p></p><p>A 5th level wizard is much better at hand-to-hand combat dual wielding daggers than a typical most things. The same is more true for a cleric wearing better armor and knowing how to properly use a slightly better variety of weapons. When I see some guy in half-plate with a shield in one hand and a spear in the either who can boot stomp anyone who isn't particularly special in the tavern then yes, that's a warrior in my mind. There are simply others who are better warriors with better training.</p><p></p><p>Some y'all lost perspective looking at what's best in the world instead of what's typical in any given campaign world. How we see our characters in the world is relative to the world, not the other characters in the party. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I think of the paladin as the crusading knight. Emphasis on "knight" even though it's just concept and they are not actual knights either. They definitely focus more on the warrior and less on the divine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7864856, member: 6750235"] I think it's still a valid discussion. Just maybe not worth the necro. I didn't notice at first and gave [USER=15700]@Sacrosanct[/USER] a like for a post over 3 years old, lol. I actually think of clerics as the warrior priest with the emphasis on "priest" while "warrior" is just descriptive. It's a bit misleading, however, because clerics don't need any proficiency in religion or a background to support any priesthood. A divine agent is a better description. The warrior part comes from the fact they are trained in some armor, shields, and basic weapons. They did have stronger attack progression than other classes in previous editions to match. Levels of combat training and ability are not binary conditions. They are represented to lesser and greater degrees for all classes. I compare the combat training to a commoner for my point of reference. In that respect, even wizards are warrior mages from the eyes of the commoner. A 5th level wizard is much better at hand-to-hand combat dual wielding daggers than a typical most things. The same is more true for a cleric wearing better armor and knowing how to properly use a slightly better variety of weapons. When I see some guy in half-plate with a shield in one hand and a spear in the either who can boot stomp anyone who isn't particularly special in the tavern then yes, that's a warrior in my mind. There are simply others who are better warriors with better training. Some y'all lost perspective looking at what's best in the world instead of what's typical in any given campaign world. How we see our characters in the world is relative to the world, not the other characters in the party. ;) I think of the paladin as the crusading knight. Emphasis on "knight" even though it's just concept and they are not actual knights either. They definitely focus more on the warrior and less on the divine. [/QUOTE]
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