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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6860463" data-attributes="member: 42582">These are the points that I took from the OP, and that I agree with.CHA makes sense for the warpriest/crusader/paladin type. WIS makes sense for the hermit/oracle/enlightenment type. In terms of D&D classes, the traditional cleric (based on the orders of the crusading knights, per Gygax's PHB) and the traditional paladin fit the former. I also think that CHA can make sense for the category of "naive but sincere" preachers and leaders, which Joan of Arc and St Francis can both serve as examples of - but D&D doesn't really have a class for St Francis, in part because of his eschewal of violence.In D&D terms, I think the monk, the druid, the 4e invoker, the OA wu jen and probably the OA shukenja (who has a very strong divination flavour) fit the latter. They don't receive and then charismatically communicate revelations; rather, they intuit the nature of reality, and bring this knowledge back to the rest of the world.As with any system of categories, there will be borderline cases. St John of the Cross and St Teresa of Avila - and even St Francis, for that matter - might be seen as straddling the two categories. And originally druids needed CHA as well as WIS. But I still think the OP makes a good point.</blockquote>