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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tectuktitlay" data-source="post: 6861116" data-attributes="member: 82812">This is one reason why in my second post on this thread, I commented that all three mental stats should be used in Clerics for different types of them, and different specialties within them. Wisdom isn't more right, nor is Charisma, and there is a lot to be said for Intelligence also being a great stat for a Cleric to have. After all, many holy types in literature, fiction or non-fiction, are practically walking encyclopedias of knowledge about the countless nuanced pieces of esoteric information the history of their religion possesses. Many a holy person capable of channeling spell-like divine power in fantasy literature regularly engages in profoundly unwise acts. Many have staggering presence. Many have immense knowledge and lore at their fingertips constantly. And yes, many (but nowhere close to all) are wise. Really, for casters in particular, I don't think their spellcasting should be specifically tied to any one stat. Their ability to channel divine or arcane power shouldn't, either. There are many profoundly dumb wizards, who still have that natural spark allowing them to channel arcane might like no other. In fact, it's a common trope to have the Jealous Rival who is far more intelligent, knows far more about the ins and outs of magical lore, yet still doesn't possess the same arcane might. So really, I think perhaps spellcasting should be separated from the ability scores entirely. As others have pointed out, having an actual special spellcasting ability score, Power for arcane perhaps, Faith for divine, perhaps, would be better in the long run. Then, you can have the full gamut of archetypal casters. Class features themselves might feed off a given stat, and each class would have class features they can choose from that are better for a given stat. An unwise Cleric could have the same conversion class feature a wise Cleric has, and their Wisdom won't really affect it; but their Charisma? Oh yeah, the really charismatic Cleric is going to be MUCH better at converting people, and might very well have the EXACT same level of ability at channeling divine power via spells as the wise Cleric, or the sagely Cleric who is kind of uncharismatic and a recluse, and also not particularly wise, but absolutely brilliant and chock-full of useful information for most occasions.</blockquote>

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