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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 4849745" data-attributes="member: 996">In 4e, specifically, the issue is that you can 'max out' two stats, since, you get six stat bumps to two stats over the life of your character.  If you try to boost 3 stats, you won't quite be keeping up on two of them.The game's progression assumes that you max your primary attack stat - the one most/all of the powers of your class & build use to hit.  You can start the stat anywhere form 16-20, and be OK, as long as you boost it at every possible opportunity.  The game assumes the same INT or DEX, if your class doesn't give you heavy armor.  Otherwise, your AC becomes untennable at higher levels.  For Rogues or Wizards or the like, who have DEX or INT primary, that's fine - better than fine, it's pretty cool.  For a Fey or Infernal Warlock, who has INT secondary, it's OK.  ...But, for a class that needs /two/ primary stats (because some of his class/build powers use one stat, some use another, and it's impossible to choose all one or the other - /and/ neither stat is INT or DEX) /and/ an AC-boosting stat, the system falls apart.  He can't maintain AC, and a full selection of attack powers that all hit reasonably.  He thus falls behind as he levels.  MAD does not seem to be a common problem in 4e, but it's a severe one where it does occur.It's worth noting that melee training eliminated a third, tenuous possible source of MAD.  Before the Melee Training feat, you needed to keep your STR up to have a viable melee basic attack.  If you were STR primary, or could afford to max STR in spite of having another primary (STR secondary, or only a pressing need for one high stat - like a Brutal Rogue, for instance), you were OK.  But, if you really needed both a primary and a secondary stat boosted as much as possible, and niether of them was STR, your MBA became untennable at higher levels.  (Conversely, Melee training upsets the balance among PH builds a little, since having a decent MBA was probably meant to be a plus for builds like the Brutal Scoundrel, and a balancing downside for others.)</blockquote>

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