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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aus_Snow" data-source="post: 2506740" data-attributes="member: 29112">Ha, there's a coincidence (i.e., similar circumstances were mirrored here). Not just your bad; I was out of line, and had you incorrectly 'typecast'. It's not the first time I've done that, I'll confess. So that was definitely my bad.Mostly I run non-magic rangers, but I keep the standard PHB version (with a few tweaks) around as another option, as well as various UA, Dragon magazine (and so on) variants.Druids are the ones I'd rather alter in this case. So I'm thinking d6's for them, too. Of course, they may well need some pretty noticeable counterbalancing. That's the bit I'm stuck on, really.Hm. Well, I have that class available already, but I'm thinking of redusing their HD to d4's (in line with the other ascetic casters). Again, they might well need something in return. But I see your point. Actually, I was thinking about that very option yesterday. Of course, then I would have blathered on for ages, made an idiot of myself, and pissed some people off, all for nothing. Can't have that, now. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Yeah, makes sense. My original post was vague, and was put too much in terms of a question, rather than a statement of intent on my behalf. That was also my mistake. It had something to do with timing and life in general (the vagueness), which I also shouldn't subject people to.Again, fair enough, re: the prestige paladin & co. preference. I tend to favour as many options (er.. the good ones, I hope) for *base* classes as are plausible and supportable. No good reason, really. Just a preference.If I'm going to go ahead with this whole idea, I think the templar will be more similar to a Paladin (or even Sohei) than the unaltered Cleric, but maybe with one domain, more skill points... meh, I haven't thought about their abilities at all yet. :\This is my first foray into tinkering so heavily with a core base class. I tend to just chip away at the edges and reshape stuff a bit, normally. I think it's safe to assume that a sane person would leave it at that. But hey, what the heck. I'll see how it goes.So, the Cleric. I've been thinking that a progression of class abilities every say, three levels might do it (2nd, 5th, 8th etc.) - though I'm not sure. If these were fairly strong abilities, that fit the whole 'priest as divine messenger/channel' theme, would that compensate for the reduced hit die (assuming the loss of heavy armour is negligible) ?  I'm thinking it might, but (believe it or not) I would appreciate more feedback, or input.</blockquote>

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