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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3600235" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>Are you looking for different game mechanics, or an in-game explanation?</p><p></p><p>If it's in-game that you want, surely that's just a contrivance of flavor.</p><p></p><p>If it's game mechanics then there are multiple options for you. An easy one is the prepared/spontaneous divide. Another is striking Wizards, Sorcerers and Bards from the game, and replacing them with psions. The game mechanics are there to disassociate arcanists from divines. </p><p></p><p>So why have them function so similarly in the core rules? Simplicity, perhaps? It means only having to learn one set of game mechanics. </p><p></p><p>Is it possible to work the mechanics that there is no arcane/divine divide? Sure. Mongoose's Conan RPG does this, and the way they do it fits very well in the flavor of the Hyborian setting. Would it not feel alien in Greyhawk?</p><p></p><p>The mechanics exist to both make the classes distinct <em>or</em> make them identical. But simplicity suggests that while they may be different, arcane and divine magic should use the same system. And making them identical leaves out in the cold folks who have enjoyed Fighter/Thief/Cleric/Magic-User D&D for 30 years. </p><p></p><p>*Shrug*. If WotC finds in its market research that they can make more money off of folks who want them unified, I imagine you'll see something different in 4e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 3600235, member: 3929"] Are you looking for different game mechanics, or an in-game explanation? If it's in-game that you want, surely that's just a contrivance of flavor. If it's game mechanics then there are multiple options for you. An easy one is the prepared/spontaneous divide. Another is striking Wizards, Sorcerers and Bards from the game, and replacing them with psions. The game mechanics are there to disassociate arcanists from divines. So why have them function so similarly in the core rules? Simplicity, perhaps? It means only having to learn one set of game mechanics. Is it possible to work the mechanics that there is no arcane/divine divide? Sure. Mongoose's Conan RPG does this, and the way they do it fits very well in the flavor of the Hyborian setting. Would it not feel alien in Greyhawk? The mechanics exist to both make the classes distinct [i]or[/i] make them identical. But simplicity suggests that while they may be different, arcane and divine magic should use the same system. And making them identical leaves out in the cold folks who have enjoyed Fighter/Thief/Cleric/Magic-User D&D for 30 years. *Shrug*. If WotC finds in its market research that they can make more money off of folks who want them unified, I imagine you'll see something different in 4e. [/QUOTE]
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