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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 6870049" data-attributes="member: 23">Hello(please note - next to no experience in 4e)So when 3e came out, it was pretty exciting to see what they did to make clerics more appealing to play - and they really did.&nbsp; By having everyone use the same stats (no &quot;special stats&quot; for fighters anymore), the combat potential of clerics was increased.&nbsp; Healing was easier.&nbsp; Self buffing spells became *very* potent, and if you had time to stack a few, your cleric became a walking engine of doom, a living persona of your god's wrath.&nbsp; I had a cleric of St Cuthbert with protection and destruction as domain, and it was fearsome.&nbsp; But honestly, they went overboard.&nbsp; Especially if you had more than one healer in the party, the clerics could use so much buffing that they were quite frankly too strong.&nbsp; (I hear that in 5e the bard got that treatment, but let's not get sidetracked here).&nbsp;When I started looking at 5e and I saw the concentration rule, I went &quot;aha!&nbsp; No more stacking a ton of buffing spells!&nbsp; Brilliant way to balance the cleric!&quot;&nbsp; I just assumed that the spells hadn't changed that much.&nbsp; But now I see that many bluff spells like Divine Power, or even lesser buffing like bull's strength, are gone.So I started looking at the cleric more closely.&nbsp; I see you can easily play a &quot;blasting&quot; cleric or a healing specialist.&nbsp; But is the battle-cleric of old still effective?&nbsp; I mean I look at the war cleric and I see a bit of damage adding at level 8, a few extra attacks (but not many for a 6-8 encounters day...)... but it seems a bit underwhelming no?&nbsp; Am I misreading this?So how are clerics playing in 5e?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 6870049, member: 23"] Hello (please note - next to no experience in 4e) So when 3e came out, it was pretty exciting to see what they did to make clerics more appealing to play - and they really did. By having everyone use the same stats (no "special stats" for fighters anymore), the combat potential of clerics was increased. Healing was easier. Self buffing spells became *very* potent, and if you had time to stack a few, your cleric became a walking engine of doom, a living persona of your god's wrath. I had a cleric of St Cuthbert with protection and destruction as domain, and it was fearsome. But honestly, they went overboard. Especially if you had more than one healer in the party, the clerics could use so much buffing that they were quite frankly too strong. (I hear that in 5e the bard got that treatment, but let's not get sidetracked here). When I started looking at 5e and I saw the concentration rule, I went "aha! No more stacking a ton of buffing spells! Brilliant way to balance the cleric!" I just assumed that the spells hadn't changed that much. But now I see that many bluff spells like Divine Power, or even lesser buffing like bull's strength, are gone. So I started looking at the cleric more closely. I see you can easily play a "blasting" cleric or a healing specialist. But is the battle-cleric of old still effective? I mean I look at the war cleric and I see a bit of damage adding at level 8, a few extra attacks (but not many for a 6-8 encounters day...)... but it seems a bit underwhelming no? Am I misreading this? So how are clerics playing in 5e? [/QUOTE]

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