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Message: <blockquote data-quote="theNater" data-source="post: 4246906" data-attributes="member: 62560">Clerics wanting a 20 wisdom and wizards wanting a 20 intelligence aren't anything new.  The desire may be a little stronger now, but it hasn't magically appeared from nowhere.  One of the things I like about 4th edition in terms of having a 20 wisdom to start is that now you can.  In the 3.5 Player's Handbook, there are 0 races that provide a bonus to wisdom.  In 4th edition, we expect 2 races, 4 if you wish to count humans and half-elves.  The numbers for intelligence are 0 and 2/4, and charisma has 0 and 4/5.I'm happy to just have the option to start with a caster who's as min/maxed as a fighter.  The fact that I can do it in several ways makes me downright giddy.</blockquote>