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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Deadguy" data-source="post: 1122752" data-attributes="member: 2480">Okay, I appreciate that this point has been debated before at some length, but since my memory is so poor, I wanted to ask the great and good of ENWorld for advice.Basically I want to create a clear divide between two types of Cleric. One, the Militant, will still be essentially the Cleric of the PHB. The other I want to be a Divine Mage (I'm calling him a Philosopher). As such, he's not going to have more than proficiency in Simple weapons and no Armour proficiencies at all, and he'll have the Wizard/Sorcerer BAB progression. Given that I am taking away quite a bit, what do I need to give back in return?One idea I had was to use the Sorcerer Spells Per Day chart, adding the '+1 Domain Spell' per level also, and sliding it down so the progression becomes 1/3/5/... for 1st, 2nd and 3rd level spells (i.e. the same as a standard full caster progression).Another was to allow the Philosopher spontaneous casting a la the Bard and Sorcerer, i.e. no preparation in advance.Would these two abilities suffice to make the Cleric Philosopher balanced with the Cleric Militant? Or is more required?And of course, if anyone can come up with ideas for other balancing measures or a whole different way o handling things, well I'd really like to hear them. And, of course, if anyone has links to sites where similar ideas are tred out, well that would be really handy!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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