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<blockquote data-quote="Deadguy" data-source="post: 535365" data-attributes="member: 2480"><p>Apologising in advance for taking this discussion off on a tangent:</p><p></p><p>several people have said that they think the domains are balanced. One thing I definitely felt was that the domains were <em>not</em> balanced overall. One of the first things I did was go through and balance the domain granted powers against each other, weakening some and boosting a few others. Now I know the argument is that you must look at the domains balanced as the list <em>and</em> the granted power. But since you have only one domain slot per spell level, I found people considering taking one domain for its spells and another for its granted power. All Clerics might be blanaced over a full 17 levels of advancement (to level 9 spells), but they'd be unbalanced early on, particularly for Cleric/XXXX multiclasses.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Returning to your normal viewing, one thing I don't have a problem with is the DM saying 'no your Cleric concept doesn't fit with any of the deities of my world'. If I run a game where there are specific gods and they are the <em>only</em> source of clerical power, I don't think there's an <em>obligation</em> on the DM to make stuff up just to accommodate a player's desire to have just any two domains he fancies, <em>or</em> to create new deities just because his favoured pair doesn't come from a god whose alignment he wants to take! Psion is right that Gods (or their substitute Ideals) are a definite part of the flavour of the game world. I don't have to redo my campaign just because it doesn't suit a player (and that player has the right to take his gaming elsewhere if he isn't happy about that). Maybe it's just part of a deeper attitude: I don't have to accommodate every player's whim of what his PC should be. If I don't want PCs draw from the Minotaur race, then there are <em>no</em> PC minotaurs. Period. If the only Clerics with access to the Fire Domain are followers of Huilva, Lord of Flames, then no amount of whingeing will make it available to the Goddess of Healing... It's just part of the contract.</p><p></p><p>edited for clarity!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deadguy, post: 535365, member: 2480"] Apologising in advance for taking this discussion off on a tangent: several people have said that they think the domains are balanced. One thing I definitely felt was that the domains were [i]not[/i] balanced overall. One of the first things I did was go through and balance the domain granted powers against each other, weakening some and boosting a few others. Now I know the argument is that you must look at the domains balanced as the list [i]and[/i] the granted power. But since you have only one domain slot per spell level, I found people considering taking one domain for its spells and another for its granted power. All Clerics might be blanaced over a full 17 levels of advancement (to level 9 spells), but they'd be unbalanced early on, particularly for Cleric/XXXX multiclasses. Returning to your normal viewing, one thing I don't have a problem with is the DM saying 'no your Cleric concept doesn't fit with any of the deities of my world'. If I run a game where there are specific gods and they are the [i]only[/i] source of clerical power, I don't think there's an [i]obligation[/i] on the DM to make stuff up just to accommodate a player's desire to have just any two domains he fancies, [i]or[/i] to create new deities just because his favoured pair doesn't come from a god whose alignment he wants to take! Psion is right that Gods (or their substitute Ideals) are a definite part of the flavour of the game world. I don't have to redo my campaign just because it doesn't suit a player (and that player has the right to take his gaming elsewhere if he isn't happy about that). Maybe it's just part of a deeper attitude: I don't have to accommodate every player's whim of what his PC should be. If I don't want PCs draw from the Minotaur race, then there are [i]no[/i] PC minotaurs. Period. If the only Clerics with access to the Fire Domain are followers of Huilva, Lord of Flames, then no amount of whingeing will make it available to the Goddess of Healing... It's just part of the contract. edited for clarity! [/QUOTE]
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