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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ConcreteBuddha" data-source="post: 535496" data-attributes="member: 3139">I threw you a religion that does not have gods. Actually, I threw you my religion. I personally draw spiritual strength from philosophy and principles. My point is that there are people on this planet who have a religious system who do not need a figurehead in heaven or hell telling them what to do.  My point is that your fallacy is ungrounded because the real situation is thus: The Earth has godless priests, therefore it is okay for the PHB to have godless clerics. Hence the reason why I am a supporter of godless clerics in DnD. Delegating my ideas and my beliefs to a sidebar because you happen to believe something inane like "all priests should worship gods" is just plain silly. If I am understanding you correctly, you believe all clerics should worship gods. (Or that should at least be the default and anything else should be a house rule.) I don't believe that. I believe that there can be more to divinity than just gods (and that DnD divinity should keep that option open as a default.) Philosophy and belief can be just as spiritually fulfilling as the worship of a humanocentric figurehead. If that's a hassle for you, it's because religion is not clear cut (as an absolutist would want), and is often messy.</blockquote>