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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 536038" data-attributes="member: 172">So Hong, are you being deliberately obtuse?I said: To this I will merely repeat that the minmaxing objection is not mine and I am not arguing it now.To which you said:... of course, this is why you said:"But if someone shows up at my game set on a character concept that hinges around the anything goes philosophy, then it is a problem for me."Do make up your mind, will you?Now do you care to show me where the second statement talks about minmaxing at all? It doesn't. My objection is on how it fits the game conceptually.I said:I'm thinking you are not understanding me here. I am not saying the character's philosophy is more permissiveTo which you said:... of course, this is why you said:Because the godless cleric is inherently more permissive.Again, do make up your mind.Its not the character of the godless cleric that is more permissive, but the approach of using the godless cleric that is more permissive. However, you picked that quote from I explicitly pointed this out. From this, I can only conclude that you are only trying to jerk me around and have zero intereste in actually understanding what I am trying to say.So, I am obligated to make an expansive FR-style overbloated pantheon just to accomodate a statement in the PH? I think not.Creating new gods just to accomodate a character is handwaving.Thank you, once again, for not reading my prior posts with any depth of understanding. Yes, I can disallow them. In the long run, that works. But in practice, it creates problems. The player arrives at the game with this preconceived notion of a PC that does not fit my world, I have a problem... we quite likely have to hammer the character concept to fit, and/or waste a few hours making a new character, whereas if the same words were in a sidebar following the phrase "if your DM allows it, you can create a cleric or paladin that does not have a specific deity", that would have dispelled the expectations that the character would automatically be accepted.</blockquote>

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