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<blockquote data-quote="Mon" data-source="post: 4645147" data-attributes="member: 71673"><p>Works ok. Because we only use 1/3 of other levels, it is hard to abuse and doesn't work out nice and evenly over 20 levels. Also, we originally created the rule explicitly to replace PRCs like the Eldritch knight and Arcane Trickster that are just bandaid multiclass fixes, so we figured it needed to apply to things other than spells (because those PRCs do).</p><p></p><p>Edge cases like Rogue 3 / Wizard 17 give you the features of an 18th level wizard plus 3d6 sneak and some uncanny dodge/evasion. So the guy basically gave up two 9th level spell slots for some pretty weak rogue abilities. In the reverse case, Rog 17 / Wiz 3, the guy traded a die of sneak attack and a special ability for 3rd level arcane spells. Probably a better trade, but arguable at 20th level.</p><p></p><p>Middle cases like rogue 9/Wiz 11 are even less problematic. You end up with the features of a 12th level rogue and a 14th level wizard. </p><p></p><p>All three cases are still less powerful than a RAW Wiz 7/Rog 3/Arc.Tr 10 (cast as wiz 17, sneak attack as rogue 13) or Wiz 20.</p><p></p><p>Only thing to look out for is fighter/barbarians (or other full BAB class combos) IME. Fighter 8/Barbarian 12 is clearly superior to Ftr 20, and gives GWS to the brb too. However this issue also applies under the core RAW (brb/ftr > ftr) because fighters gain so little at higher levels. I.e. a problem with the fighter, not the system. If it worries you, you could add an extra clause... </p><p></p><p>(4) Full BAB classes don't gain these extra effective levels from other full BAB classes</p><p></p><p>or </p><p></p><p>(4) Full BAB classes only add 1/4 of their levels to other full BAB classes</p><p></p><p>We decided not to do this in the end, because it isn't really much of an abuse. A Brb 20 still holds his own vs. ftr/brb, and ftr20 is suboptimal anyway. It might make it more palatable for your group, though.</p><p></p><p>Hope this helps. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mon, post: 4645147, member: 71673"] Works ok. Because we only use 1/3 of other levels, it is hard to abuse and doesn't work out nice and evenly over 20 levels. Also, we originally created the rule explicitly to replace PRCs like the Eldritch knight and Arcane Trickster that are just bandaid multiclass fixes, so we figured it needed to apply to things other than spells (because those PRCs do). Edge cases like Rogue 3 / Wizard 17 give you the features of an 18th level wizard plus 3d6 sneak and some uncanny dodge/evasion. So the guy basically gave up two 9th level spell slots for some pretty weak rogue abilities. In the reverse case, Rog 17 / Wiz 3, the guy traded a die of sneak attack and a special ability for 3rd level arcane spells. Probably a better trade, but arguable at 20th level. Middle cases like rogue 9/Wiz 11 are even less problematic. You end up with the features of a 12th level rogue and a 14th level wizard. All three cases are still less powerful than a RAW Wiz 7/Rog 3/Arc.Tr 10 (cast as wiz 17, sneak attack as rogue 13) or Wiz 20. Only thing to look out for is fighter/barbarians (or other full BAB class combos) IME. Fighter 8/Barbarian 12 is clearly superior to Ftr 20, and gives GWS to the brb too. However this issue also applies under the core RAW (brb/ftr > ftr) because fighters gain so little at higher levels. I.e. a problem with the fighter, not the system. If it worries you, you could add an extra clause... (4) Full BAB classes don't gain these extra effective levels from other full BAB classes or (4) Full BAB classes only add 1/4 of their levels to other full BAB classes We decided not to do this in the end, because it isn't really much of an abuse. A Brb 20 still holds his own vs. ftr/brb, and ftr20 is suboptimal anyway. It might make it more palatable for your group, though. Hope this helps. :) [/QUOTE]
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