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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5455914" data-attributes="member: 6667746">I am fine with others answering them, it furthers even more discussion.2- I know what painting yourself into a corner is, I am just wondering how such a dire punishment for such is called for.In the context of this thread, we really aren't talking about that, just a singular method to end the game with only one resolution.Out of the context of the thread, you are in the middle of a game, so I am curious how we get to this point where the fledgling god is the "reward" for the string of choices that led to here.What are the odds a group of players really enjoying the game world would make every choice that would lead to their own demise in such a fashion?I am thinking there is something missing in there. If the DM can pull the BBEG away so often for later, how is it this fledgling god cannot be if the players made a few bad choices. I am thinking of the "dick move" thread involving the rogue character that was tied and gagged right now.The DM gave warnings and a single player nearly destroyed the game for all, and the DM held true to fashion. Is this what is going on here, or did the group of players make the choice as a group that led them here?Also why is this the consequence? Does this fledgling god play some part in the overall plot, or was it just stumbled on and now has the capacity to ruin the game by pretty much destroying the world?3- He did not say he is unwilling, and I don't know if the concept of the fledgling god would/could do so in his example. I am just positing, again in the context of this thread being the end of the game, that some DO place TPK and world destroying things but don't want to pull the trigger on them. So curious if this might be the case. If not then it dismisses the potential of the DM presenting something he isn't willing to deal with.But then Why so willing to do so and throw away the rest of the game you may have had planned out as the DM? I am all for the players destroying the world when they want to, but I will not litter the world with ways for them to do so, because there might just be that chance that they don't want to destroy it and bad dice rolls can too easily cause it to happen.All in all, it is the how we got here that determines if it is being done "right", when presenting only a single either or choice.One comment stick to me and seems missing a part:Likewise a major hallmark of a non-railroading GM is that players can succeed with means other than those devised by the GM.When all I am presented with is the DM saying "this is the way it must be done if you intend to do it" I am ready to jump off the train.With this game, and the fledging god scenario, I don't have enough info except the final result that caused a either or option to determine if it was a railroad or enough warning was given prior to allow the players to paint themselves into a corner.The funny thing about painting yourself in the corner is you can walk on the wet paint, so you aren't trapped.Yes I know the analogy isnt directly about paint, but the concept remains the same with D&D. There is ALWAYS a way the DM didn't think of to get out of something. It tells people a lot about the DM in the way they handle those ways that the players come up with that the DM did not.</blockquote>

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