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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5459326" data-attributes="member: 6667746">I am not even sure how, or IF you allow players to make spells. Here is how it works near me:-Player wants a new spell and writes it up-DM looks at it to make sure the level and power is right and adjust the level up if too powerful for the level, or down if he thinks it could work at a lower level than written.-DM also can decide to just say no to it due to MANY various reasons of it being overpowered, too silly, whatever; within reason.-Player makes needed changes, resubmits (sounds a lot like the publishing business)-DM looks again most likely accepts if it wasn't rejected to begin with.-DM looks at spell research to tell the player how long, how much it will cost, etc to research this spell-Player decides if they want to spend that time/money doing so. The player likely already looked at the spel research rules when making the spell to present to the DM the first time.TADA! new spell.What you are asking for is rules for magic. D&D has the approach that magic can do anything. This leaves the game open for ALL playstyles. Yours where the players aren't allowed to just make things since you and them have no rigid rules for which to say what elements magic can have, and mine where magic can do anything, even autoerotic things that I do NOT wish to discuss...You see your need for a rule as being a reason it cannot be done. I like how people throw out PAGE 42 for 4th edition, but ignore those such things in past editions.All of which provides the tools for the job. You just want a precision tool without having to dig into your personal toolset for it, while others find the tools provided augmented very easily by digging in their personal tool set for the right tool for the right job.Also you keep saying DM allows it, DM allows SPECIFIC spells, not the ability for players to CREATE spells. The game in nearly every incarnation has had the ability for both DM and players to create spells for verisimilitude.You just don't want to use the tools provided as seeing them not adequate. I can appreciate that. I can't appreciate that the claim extends to ALL players and DMs.</blockquote>

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